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Usenet Mac Digest     Friday, May 20, 1988           Volume 4 : Issue 66

Today's Topics:
     Re: Hard Drives
     REsolved: "There is nothing to choose" trouble
     Re: Fullwrite Professional Question...
     Document fonts: I thought this would work -- why not?
     Re: FullWrite Professional
     Re: Goin' Crazy on a Mac, or, How I Love MPW "GlobalData"
     Re: Bug in List Manager?
     Re: Getting started in Mac programming...
     suppress display of password entry
     Writing PICT files
     Out of Memory...
     Sun raster files on the Mac II...
     BibTex
     Re: Mac to PC and back via 3.5"
     Fraction Width info in Mac Fonts
     StuffIt 1.40A UnBinHex
     Re: Document fonts: I thought this would work -- why not?
     RE: Prob with LaserWriter II NTX and font disk
     Re: FullWrite Professional
     Using external as Mac II internal floppy
     PC Drive (What good is it???)
     Re: Disassemblers for the Mac
     Re: BBS requirements
     Re: Prob with LaserWriter II NTX and font disk
     Re: Speed of FullWrite
     List Manager won't shrink rectangles with LNoExtend
     Re: PRAM on MacII
     Palette Mgr questions
     What would you like to see added/fixed in FullWrite?
     3.5" PKI interrupts?

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Schnitzer)
Subject: Re: Hard Drives
Date: 17 May 88 13:30:06 GMT
Organization: Calcomp Display Products Division, Hudson, NH, USA

I've had an AppleCrate 60 meg drive for about two months now and have
been quite satisfied.  I paid $839 for it (direct from the vendor) and
it arrived 3 days later, preformatted for the MacPlus.  The diskette
with the formatting/test utility was unreadable, but I didn't need it to
get the hard disk up and running, and they sent a replacement out to me
via 2nd day air.  I notice no speed difference between it (it's a
Seagate internally) and my DataFrame-20 (not XP), except in getting to
my larger :-) desktop.  I do notice the additional noise, but its not
what I would call loud; however the total of the two drives plus
SystemSaver fan and peripherals has crossed the threshold of quiet... I
now close the door to my home office for total quiet.
--
 Jeffrey D. Schnitzer, CalComp Display Products Division, Hudson NH 03051-0908
 [e-mail] or {decvax|harvard}!elrond!jdschnit  MaBell:603-885-8156


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Matthews)
Subject: REsolved: "There is nothing to choose" trouble
Date: 17 May 88 22:31:02 GMT
Organization: Dept. Plant Pathology, Cornell University, Ithaca NY


>All of a sudden I'm getting the message "There is nothing to choose on the
>startup disk" when I try to use the Chooser.  This has happened to two of my
>startup disks now.  They're stuck in ImageWriter mode, apparently
>irreversibly.  Replacing the LaserWriter, Laser Prep, ImageWriter, System
>and Finder with fresh copies from disks that work doesn't help.  Changing
>machines doesn't help.  Disconnecting/connecting Appletalk doesn't help.
>Has anybody ever seen this problem before?
>
>(This is on Mac+'s and 512E's under System 3.2, nothing fancy.)

The problem was "Set Startup".  On both of these disks I had recently
set the application (in one case it was WriteNow, the other MacDraw) to
start up immediately on booting, instead of the Finder or Minifinder.
Apparently when this happens the Chooser doesn't know it should look in
the System Folder to find the printer drivers.  The problem can be fixed
by exiting to the Minifinder and restarting the application (without
rebooting).  Or by moving all the system files out of the System Folder,
onto the desktop with the application.

I nominate this for Bug of the Week, especially if it still exists in
the current versions.  Thanks to Scott Douglass of Apple Computer for
providing the vital clue.
--
- Dave Matthews
  ARPA:[e-mail]             BITNET:matthews@crnlthry
  USENET:...{cmcl2,shasta,uw-beaver,rochester}!cornell!batcomputer!matthews


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Re: Fullwrite Professional Question...
Date: 17 May 88 22:06:18 GMT
Organization: Fictional Reality

>>Like what? I've found two: functionality is lacking in styles (especially
>>"Based on" styles; and paragraph formatting and text leading is primitive.

"Need?" I considered the lack of "Based on" to be a major problem with
ReadySetGo4 style sheets. I consider it to be a major problem with
FullWrite style sheets (to be honest, I'm still not completely
comfortable using them at all, but that's primarily due to lack of
getting used to them...). But I'd never consider giving up either
program just for this. It's not something that's a killer. Sure, you
could speed up your productivity, but by how much? I use a large number
of Style Sheets -- in OtherRealms, for instance, I use somewhere around
20. But I doubt I can even document an hour or two per issue (an issue
of OtherRealms takinga bout six weeks to lay out and publish) of
productiviy because of it.

I don't think it's a "real" loss of productivity as much as a perceived
loss -- it's more a hassle to go in and modify those 10 styles than it
is a time waster. Psychologically it's important, but not
productivity-wise. And to think of giving up all the other features just
because one is missing?

Have you ever sat down and looked at how often you really go in and
tweak a collected sets of styles via a "based on" style? And how much
more time it takes to go and modify all the styles individually? I think
if you do, you'll find that you're very aware of the uglyness of having
to do it manually, but that there's not a lot of time involved. It's
hassle factor.


Chuq Von Rospach                        [e-mail]            Delphi: CHUQ

        Robert A. Heinlein: 1907-1988. He will never truly die as long as we
                           read his words and speak his name. Rest in
Peace.


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From: [e-mail] (Kevin O'Gorman)
Subject: Document fonts: I thought this would work -- why not?
Date: 15 May 88 11:31:15 GMT
Organization: K.O.'s Manor - Vital Computer Systems, Oxnard, CA 93035

It seems to me this trick used to work: what has happened?

I thought that I could option-open a document in Font/DA mover, and put
a font in the resource fork for that document, and have it used just by
that document.

I tried it in MacWrite, and Word, and no such luck.  I thought I
remembered that this worked because the system sees the resources of all
open files. Shouldn't this work?  It sure seems like a good idea for
seldom-used display fonts and the like.


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From: [e-mail] (Chuq Von Rospach)
Subject: Re: FullWrite Professional
Date: 17 May 88 22:43:23 GMT
Organization: Fictional Reality

>  DOESN'T IT BOTHER ANYBODY THAT IT WON'T FIT ON A FLOPPY UNLESS
>THE CODE RESOURCES ARE PACKED????!!!!?!?!?

Nope. But then I outgrew floppies long ago.

Large, complex, powerful programs are why they invented hard disks. If
you want the power, you've got to pay for it somewhere. I happen to own
a number of programs that don't work (or don't work practically) on
floppies. It doesn't bother me at all....

>  I've seen the demo version and it doesn't look THAT much more capable
>than Word to justify an executable of that size.

It is. You have to really beat on it for a while to see why. I'm sure
that when they have a chance to sit and clean it up rather than trying
to get it out the door, they'll be able to tighten it up a fair amount.
I've heard rumors of significant code shrinkage and speed improvements
for the next release, but I won't pass them along because they ARE just
rumors...

>  I also understand that FWP doesn't even run on a 1MB Mac.  DOESN'T
>THIS BOTHER ANYBODY EITHER???!?!!?

Nope. That's why God invented memory upgrades.

Please note that System release 7.0 (due out somewhere near the end of
the year) is rumored to only be supported on Macs with at least two
megs. If Apple is pushing past the megabyte barrier, why should others
beware?

If you want state-of-the-art stuff, you have to stay on the edge.
Staying on the edge isn't necessarily cheap. Computers are investments.
If you want to keep it at the leading edge, you have to be willing to
keep investing. If you're happy with what you have, fine, but don't try
to hold back folks who are willing to push forward.


Chuq Von Rospach                        [e-mail]            Delphi: CHUQ

        Robert A. Heinlein: 1907-1988. He will never truly die as long as we
                           read his words and speak his name. Rest in
Peace.


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Goin' Crazy on a Mac, or, How I Love MPW "GlobalData"
Date: 16 May 88 22:39:30 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clive Steward)
writes:
>
>When will we see this!!!  Soon, please! All of them, please!  Especially C++!
>Especially the C++ hooked up to MacApp that's been talked about...

MPW C++ and a compatible version of MacApp should arrive in the fall.
You should be able to write MacApp programs in any mixture of Object
Pascal and C++ (and Assembler).

--
                 Larry Rosenstein,  Object Specialist
 Apple Computer, Inc.  20525 Mariani Ave, MS 27-AJ  Cupertino, CA 95014
            AppleLink:Rosenstein1    domain:[e-mail]
                UUCP:{sun,voder,nsc,decwrl}!apple!lsr


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Meiss)
Subject: Re: Bug in List Manager?
Date: 17 May 88 15:45:22 GMT
Organization: UTexas Computation Center, Austin, Texas


        I wrote a program that uses the List Manager in a vanilla fashion, and
have no problems with the shift-drag procedure. Here's the LSC code I
use to handle mouse downs in the list: --------------
        static ListHandle       ListH;
        static Cell             theCell;

        myclick(where,modifiers)                /*Mouse Click in ListWindow*/
        Point where;
        int modifiers;
        {
                ListH = (**thewList).ListH;     /*handle to List in active windo
w*/
                SetPort((**thewList).ListW);
                GlobalToLocal(&where);
                if(LClick(where,modifiers,ListH))    /*there has been a double c
lick
*/
                {
                        theCell.v = HiWord(LLastClick(ListH));
                        theCell.h=MAXCOLS+1;
                        while(theCell.h-- >0) LSetSelect(TRUE,theCell,ListH);
                }
                if(PtInRect(where,&(**ListH).rView))
                        displayEdit('\0');      /*Display editText dialog*/

        } ---------------

        Hope this helps.


                                Jim Meiss
                                [e-mail]
                                [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Guido van Rossum)
Subject: Re: Getting started in Mac programming...
Date: 17 May 88 10:51:51 GMT
Organization: The Royal Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Amoebae

I'd like to make a comparison between LightspeedC (LSC) and MPW.

I have used MPW much longer than LSC, and am convinced that it generates
better code, has a much more intelligent linker, and a much more
powerful programming environment.  Especially if you're used to Unix
programming, MPW makes the transition easy (you can write Makefiles and
shell scripts, albeit with lots of minor changes in the notation).  It
is also particularly easy to port all sorts of tools that were written
for use under Unix.  Often no changes are needed.  For Mac hackers,
MPW's resource compiler and decompiler (rez/derez) are superior to what
LSC offers (I think 2.11 came with a prehistoric version of RMaker).

However, LSC also has its advantages.  The compiler and linker are so
much faster than MPW's that program development time shrinks enormously,
especially if you're working on a small machine (1 Megabyte, 2 800K
floppies, or even a 20Meg HD).  In general the exclusion of certain
features and deliberate lack in flexibility have made it a remarkably
fast system; you can enter LSC, run your application and return to LSC
in the time MPW needs to execute the startup file...

I plan to do my future code development under LSC, while generating
production versions with MPW.  Because of the better optimizer
(automatic register allocation, for one!) and smarter linker (removes
unused functions, not just unused files), MPW applications are easily
20% smaller than those generated with LSC.

Unfortunately you have to make a conscious decision to use both MPW and
LSC with the same sources.  There are many differences, and porting a
program written for one to the other may cause you many headaches.  Some
language differences I've observed (in LSC 2.11, vs. MPW 2.02):

 int==short in LSC, int==long in MPW
        names of standard headers differ, e.g. <Windows.h> in MPW,
<WindowMgr.h> in LSC
        toolbox routines require Pascal strings in LSC, C strings in MPW
        Points passed by value to toolbox in LSC, by address in MPW
        MPW defines '\n' == '\r'; in LSC, stdio translates between '\n' and
'\r'
        LSC's library contains more unix emulation functions
        LSC does strict type checks on pointer assignments, MPW doesn't care
        LSC doesn't allow "benign" redefinition of preprocessor symbols
        LSC needs glue to call pascal functions given as function pointers
        LSC doesn't automatically dereference function pointers in call
contexts
        LSC preprocessor doesn't define __LINE__ and __FILE__ macros
        LSC has no equivalents of Unix -D and -I compiler options
        LSC has CtoPstr and PtoCstr, where MPW has c2pstr and p2cstr
        in LSC, the difference between two pointers is a long!

It is possible to program around all of these using a few simple macros;
however, if you didn't plan this you'll have a hard time, especially in
finding all the incompatible toolbox calls.

As far as I know, neither system has much debugging support beyonde
generating symbols for Macsbug.
--
Guido van Rossum, Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science (CWI), Amsterdam
[e-mail] or mcvax!piring!guido or [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Wade Blomgren)
Subject: suppress display of password entry
Date: 17 May 88 20:41:47 GMT
Organization: UCSD Academic Computing Services


What is the best (easiest) way to allow entry of a password on the
screen while suppressing the display of the actual characters in the
edittext item?  Use a dedicated font, like TOPS does? Or intercept  all
keydown events in a filter and change the key code to that of a
meaningless character like a bullet or hash?  The latter method seems to
be what is happening in, for example, AppleShare, but it seems a bit
difficult to keep track of the actual word that gets typed if the person
does any editing of the edittext item with the mouse.  For example, if
the user types "abc" and then clicks between the a and the b, and
inserts another letter, you would have a bit of figuring to do if you
wanted to figure out what the word entered really was. What am I
missing? Or is there yet another way to do this. I suppose one solution
is to avoid having an edited field at all and just capture keydown
events, but that seems somewhat inelegant.
--
Wade Blomgren
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (William R. Pearson)
Subject: Writing PICT files
Date: 17 May 88 23:02:39 GMT
Organization: University of Virginia, Charlottesville


        I would like to make some plots in a program as a PICT, and then write
them out to a file for later editing with MacDraw or SuperPaint. I have
Programmer's Extender Vol II, which has ReadPict() and WritePict()
functions (without source), but I would like to do it myself.

        Given a PicHandle, how does one write a PICT file that can be edited by
a drawing program?  Pointers to appropriate references will be
appreciated.

Bill Pearson


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From: [e-mail] (Brad Soe)
Subject: Out of Memory...
Date: 18 May 88 02:19:14 GMT
Organization: NASA - Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA

I have seem to have run into a problem while writing an  application in
AztecC 3.4. I have a Mac II w/1K and have  keep getting an out of memory
bomb (ID = 25) bomb at certain points in the program. I have done the
following:

1) Called InitApplZone, More Masters several times at the  begining of
the application to allocate many master pointers.

2) I have made sure that I didn't allocate any global ptrs (except
WindowPtr's) in the application.  Nor have I used malloc or NewPtr or
have any static variables in any part  of the program. But I have called
NewHandle.

Assumptions: My program uses the ListManager, and I think that it's code
segment should be unloaded from memory at some time  while the
application is running. Do I have to purge this  Code segment!

I call NewWindow in the program, and it may fragment the  heap so that a
large enough data block can't be found (giving me the bomb!). I think
that the problem deals with fragementation!!

Any help or suggestions about memory management would  be apprecieated.


                                        Thanks

                                        Brad Soe
                                        internet : ames.arc.nasa.gov
                                        NASA Ames Research Center
                                        MS 233-18 Moffett Field, CA 94035
                                        [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (Sho Kuwamoto)
Subject: Sun raster files on the Mac II...
Date: 18 May 88 03:03:27 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

Does anybody have a program which will display Sun raster files (I think
that's what they're called) on the Mac II?  Better yet, is there a way
to convert these to PICT2 files?  Thanks.

                                                        -Sho

 ([e-mail], [e-mail], ...!cit-vax!tybalt!sho)


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From: [e-mail] (Hans Mulder)
Subject: BibTex
Date: 14 May 88 22:16:49 GMT
Organization: Delft University of Technology, Netherlands

For the last few months I have used TeXtures/LaTeX and am perfectly
happy with the results except for one thing: the LaTeX Beta version
(V.2) doesn't  include BibTex. I don't know if the release version of
LaTeX includes BibTex  because I didn't receive it yet (happens when you
forget to send change-of- address notices).

However, I need BibTex desperately. Does somebody have it running on the
Mac? Does somebody know if Kellerman and Smith have released it? Does
K&S have an E-mail address?

Thanks in advance.
--
Hans Mulder
......!mcvax!dutesta!hansm


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From: [e-mail] (R.SHARPLES)
Subject: Re: Mac to PC and back via 3.5"
Date: 17 May 88 12:58:00 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (paul
gilna) writes:
> I'm a little fuzzy on this, but I believe there exists
> a board for the PC which sits between the disk controller
> and a 3.5" drive allowing a PC to read/write mac floppies.
> Something like Copy II options board.
> If I'm on the right track, any info, impressions etc would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> cheers,       paul.

Its the COPY II PC Deluxe Option Board by Central Point Software. It can
be installed in a PC, PC/XT, PC/AT, or 100% compatible (even  an AT&T
PC6300!) and connected to a 3.5" drive.  It supports the 720K and
1.44meg IBM formats, and the 800K and 400K Macintosh formats.  It can
format, read and write disks.  It comes with software that allows you to
copy, format and such (MCOPY and MDIR for Mac format disks).  It
installs in a 1/2 slot, you connect the cables that are normally
attached to your A or B drive (your choice) to the option board.  Then
connect the option board's cables to the 3.5" drive.  It intercepts the
signals  sent to the drive and does the right things to them depending
on the disk in the drive and the commands sent.   You may boot from the
3.5" drive if it is the A drive.  It costs $159 and you can buy it
direct from Central Point (503-244-6036) or from a retailer.

No endorsement intended, I'm looking at an ad for the thing and I have
called Central Point to verify the above.
--
Russ Sharples
homxc!rps

NOTE:

The above in NO WAY reflects the opinions of AT&T.
These opinions are my own and the results of un-scientific and
highly irregular analysis methods.


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From: [e-mail] (James H. Cloos Jr.)
Subject: Fraction Width info in Mac Fonts
Date: 18 May 88 06:35:15 GMT
Organization: Cornell Computer Services, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

I've noticed that in word 3.01, when you use Fractional Widths--as I
always do--they are not displayed properly by Quickdraw.  The output on
the Laser- Writer is fine, but on the screen the right edge is  rather
jagged.   This *does* happen in PagePreview as well as in the edit mode.

Is this a standard (ie. known) problem?  Is there a cure?  I  should
point that I usually use a 1M MacPlus w/ Apple 20meg  hard  drive  (not
SCSI--oh well, you use what is available, I guess) and a
LaserWriterPlus.

[I am an operator in a public Mac/Vt100 facility, and use the Macs in
the
 facility.  I don't own one yet.
 ]

Some users here are often wonderring why their justified text is so
ragged. Occaisonally it has even happened in WriteNow.  (I've yet to
find a way  to turn it on/off from w/in WriteNow).

Any help/pointers are appriciated.

-JimC

--
batcomputer![e-mail]  |James H. Cloos, Jr.|#include <disclaimer.h>
[e-mail]|B7 Upson, Cornell U|#include <cute_stuff.h>
[e-mail]    |Ithaca, NY 14853   |"Entropy isn't what
[e-mail]           |  [phone]  | it used to be."


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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Lau)
Subject: StuffIt 1.40A UnBinHex
Date: 17 May 88 23:16:05 GMT
Organization: The Big Electric Cat

In response to all the complaints about -39 unexpected EOF errors....

I'll admit.  The situation confounded me.  But from what Chuq mentioned,
I see now the cause of all problems.

Everyone complained that 1.31 didn't skip the news headers.

The suggestion offered was that the line: (This file... should be
checked for as it always appeared at the beginning.

It was also noted that a : never starts a line in the news/mail
header...

Instead of checking for (This file..., what 1.40A does is check for a
colon right after a CR or a LF.  It will start decoding at that point.

This was intended to make it easier to decode postings as you need not
strip the header.  Thus, this bug is really a feature.  (Yea yea -
that's the usual joke about bugs....but what am I to say?)

It appears that everyone likes overstripping the headers.  Hey, if
everyone says that it's OK to check for (This file..., it should be even
more permissible to check for a CR or LF!  Which is why I opted for that
route.


-Ray

([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Shane Looker)
Subject: Re: Document fonts: I thought this would work -- why not?
Date: 18 May 88 13:52:11 GMT
Organization: University of Michigan Computing Center, Ann Arbor

It is a good idea, but... it doesn't work.  The reason that it doesn't
work is because of the way fonts are installed when the program is run.

During the initialization phase of the program, all fonts (in MacWrite)
are loaded with a call to AddResMenu (I think, don't have IM here right
now). (Word does essentially the same thing, but plays around some
more.)

As a result, the Font menu list is installed *before* your document is
even opened.  (It is just a parameter to the program after all.)  So
when the Font menu is built, it does have all the known fonts put into
it.

A little extra code could make the font menu add document fonts, but the
code is trickier to make the fonts dissappear when the document is
closed.
--
Shane Looker
[e-mail]
uunet!umix!pepe.cc.umich.edu!shane
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Mark H. Anbinder)
Subject: RE: Prob with LaserWriter II NTX and font disk
Date: 18 May 88 16:03:15 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY

Okay, the concensus is that SuperMac hard drives, which use RLL
encoding, will not work as a font disk on the LaserWriter II NTX.
Everyone seems to agree on that point.  The next question has to be,
what SCSI drives from third-party manufacturers DO work with the II NTX?
 Buying an Apple drive shouldn't be the only answer.

--
Mark H. Anbinder                                ** [e-mail]
NG33 MVR Hall, Media Services Dept.             ********************* *** * *
Cornell University      H: [phone]       ********************* *   * *
Ithaca, NY 14853        W: [phone]       ********************* *** ***


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From: [e-mail] (David Palmer)
Subject: Re: FullWrite Professional
Date: 18 May 88 16:38:20 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

Microsoft programs are compiled to Pcode to save space.  If you look at
Word with resedit, you will see that there are about 30k of native code
for booting and interpreting the Pcode, and a ~400k Pcode resource.

The reason Word is not as slow as you would expect Pcode to be is that
the compiler has the ability to fully compile pieces of code at the
programmer's request.  This means that the bulk of the code, which is
very rarely executed or not time-critical, takes up only a little space,
and the stuff which has to run fast is given the space it needs to do
so.

Reducing the code size also cuts down on the disk accesses, which is a
speed-up in itself.
                David Palmer
                [e-mail]
                ...rutgers!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!palmer
        "In retrospect, no one should have been surprised by the discovery
         that Harvard Business School was being supported by a consortium
         of large Japanese companies."  -- 1993, The Year In Review


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Hunt)
Subject: Using external as Mac II internal floppy
Date: 18 May 88 19:18:33 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Hello,

Is it possible to use an 800k external standard floppy drive as the 2nd
floppy drive in the Mac II?  I have a Mac II with 1 floppy and an
external drive I used with my Mac+ just gathering dust...

Thanks for any help.

Phil Hunt



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From: [e-mail] (Phil Hunt)
Subject: PC Drive (What good is it???)
Date: 18 May 88 20:13:37 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Hi all...


   I just bought a 5.25" PC drive and controller for my Mac II.  Yes, I
know that $400 for a 360k drive is exhorbitant, but I needed the
connectivity.  My question is this:  Why doesn't the MacOS know about
the drive.  I mean, why  can't I use it as a Standard Mac drive.  Is it
only useable with 3rd party stuff like SoftPC??  Does any Apple stuff
recognize it??

For $400 I would also have expected it to be at least a 720k drive like
the $75 ones you find for the PC/XT world.  Could I change the drive to
a 720k one??

===========

Totally different vein......I removed my color startup screen and my
system  memory usage, which was at 313k used in a heap of 870k, went to
313k used in a heap of 313k, so the startup problem REALLY is a major
memory hog bug!!!

Phil Hunt


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From: [e-mail] (Pierce T. Wetter)
Subject: Re: Disassemblers for the Mac
Date: 18 May 88 20:45:55 GMT
Organization: California Institute of Technology

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chip Copper) writes:
>
>I'm looking for a good Mac disassembler.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
  MPW has a tool called DumpCode which will disasseble a code segment.
--
Pierce WEtter
----------------------------------------------------------------
[e-mail]     Race For Space Grand Prize Winner.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
   Useless Advice #986: Never sit on a Tack.


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Gillingwater)
Subject: Re: BBS requirements
Date: 18 May 88 09:41:46 GMT
Organization: Computer Sciences of New Zealand, Wellington, NZ

Hi - I run a BBS which has 50+ regular callers (in a city with just over
800,000 people and less than 10 BBS), so here's my 2400 bits worth:

>1.  What features do you consider STANDARD in a BBS? (eg transfer protocols,

Standard features should include:
 o Messaging
 o File transfer (upload & down-load)
 o File catalogues
 o Closed User Groups
 o Up/down-loading of messages (XMODEM) for long-distance callers
 o Password security
 o Chat mode
 o User statistics
 o Fido-net
 o Multiple baud rates (modem dependent)
 o Doors (shell to the operating system)
 o Private e-mail
 o Protocols: XMODEM, ZMODEM, SeaLINK, KERMIT, ASCII

>2.  What would you like to see in a BBS? (i.e. non standard features)

Wish list:
 o Dial back users for higher security in CUG's
 o Permanently resident in background RAM so I can use PC for other
stuff
 o Multi-user access

>3.  What do you really hate about your BBS?

No, I'm quite happy with it.

>4.  Anything you want to add.

My system runs on an Amstrad 1640 ECD (PC/XT clone, but far nicer), with
640 kb RAM, 576 kb RAMPage! used as cache with Lightning,  2 x 32 Mb
hard disks, multi-speed modem, 24 hours a day, free access. I actively
discourage pirated software, and try to moderate some  of the more
exuberant callers.  The BBS software is Towernet by S.J. Underwood
(London), written in C and based around the Citadel BBS stuff released a
while back through C user's groups.  It is truly PD (not shareware or
crippleware), and the reason I'm posting this as a public message and
not E-mailing the response is to offer it to anyone who wants it - but
not over USEnet!  Please just send two 360 kb formatted diskettes in a
disk mailer to me and I will send them back with Towernet - no charge!
An international postage return certificate would help to defray my
costs.

Good luck with your quest, Fernando!

--
Paul Gillingwater, Senior Consultant   Call my private BBS - Magic Tower,
Computer Sciences of New Zealand Ltd   NZ [phone] V21/V23 8N1 24hrs
P.O.Box 929, Wellington, NEW ZEALAND   Soon: V22/V22bis/Bell 103/Bell 212A
Vox: [phone], Fax: [phone]  "Scott me up, Beamie!"-Lounge Suit Larry


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kateley)
Subject: Re: Prob with LaserWriter II NTX and font disk
Date: 18 May 88 21:52:01 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA

I don't have a list, but there are two main things that the drive must
do:

1. It must provide SCSI terminator power.

2. It must be able to report to the printer what size volume it is.
   This is done via the SCSI command "Mode Select".

--
Jim Kateley          UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!kateley
S,P,HnS!             DOMAIN: [e-mail]  Applelink: kateley1
Disclaimer:   What I say, think, or smell does not reflect any policy or
              stray thought by Apple Computer, Inc.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: Re: Speed of FullWrite
Date: 18 May 88 21:45:27 GMT
Organization: John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc., Everett, WA

I should point out to those of you with the beta/pre-release/demo
versions of FullWrite, the released version IS faster; it's not as fast
as Word 3.01 though, probably due to the fact that a) Word doesn't
auto-repaginate and b) even if it did, it wouldn't have to deal with the
kind of WSYWIG layout FullWrite does.  But Word is faster -- I find the
released FW about halfway between MS Word 1.05 and MS Word 3.01,
depending on the circumstances (i.e. graphics on the screen).

BTW, anyone see the note in MacWorld that Word 4.0 will be WYSIWYG?  No
more REPAGINATION commands.  Also table generation, macros and color
text (the former interests me, the latter doesn't, since I have a
QuicKeys and a Mac Plus).  SuperPaint 1.1 will be bundled with it (and
almost certainly Microlytics Word Finder, which is pretty much what
FullWrite's Thesaurus is).  Intriguing -- two good high-end word
processors will certainly keep one another on their toes.  Good news for
us, I guess.  But, to quote the old comments on FullWrite... I'll
believe it when I see it!

                        "My next storyline has the Punisher going after
the
                         Attorney General.  This should be good."
                                        -- Mike Baron
--
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
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From: [e-mail] (William Lipa)
Subject: List Manager won't shrink rectangles with LNoExtend
Date: 18 May 88 04:24:43 GMT

Actually, my problem only occurs with modifiers set, for example
LNoExtend. With the modifiers set to zero I get the expected behavior.
What I would like to do, however, is replicate the way the Finder
handles selecting icons. Does anyone know if this is possible with the
List Manager?
--
Bill Lipa
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Dan Magorian)
Subject: Re: PRAM on MacII
Date: 18 May 88 18:37:52 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park

I recently asked MacDTS on Applelink for the Parameter RAM record on the
MacII in order to write an INIT to set public workstation lab MacII PRAM
correctly after someone has come along and messed it up (node #,
Ethertalk, cache off, etc) - general sanitizing during boot.  Their
answer was that "PRAM is reserved for Apple's use along with all of low
memory, and noone should touch it except through the control panel.
That's why it's not documented in IM 5 or the TNs". Sound familiar?
Rather tiresome.  A better answer would be "Here's the record,
understand that it can and will change".  So, anyone know what it is? In
IM II p 370 the record for classic Macs is there, but the Ethertalk
stuff etc for IIs seems to be in an extension somewhere, not contiguous.
 The Ethertalk ref doesn't have it either...
--
Dan Magorian                                          [phone]
Comp Sci Ctr                                          [e-mail]
Univ of Maryland                                      [e-mail]
College Park, MD 20742                                Applelink: A0190


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Blackwell)
Subject: Palette Mgr questions
Date: 18 May 88 20:55:16 GMT
Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI

I'm writing an application that needs a lot of gray scale values for
rendering. Right now I'm using 120, and will probably use more later.
I'm trying to make the application work with various screen depths, so
I've ordered the palette as recommended: 0 = white, 1 = black, 2 = 33%
gray, 3 = 66% gray, 4-15 = finer gradiations of gray, 16 - 119 = even
finer gradiations. All of these are tolerant colors, with zero
tolerance. Now I draw a band that varies continuously from black to
white in 120 steps, using the appropriate palette entries. If the screen
depth is set to 8-bits, it works fine. If I set it to 4-bits, it also
works fine - I get 16 gray levels in even steps. However if I set the
screen depth to 2-bits, I get the following: first quater of band is
black, next is dark gray, next is light gray, and the last is black
again, except for the last stripe, which is white. I would expect the
last quarter to be all white. If I set 1-bit depth, the whole band is
black, except the last stripe, which is white. Again, what I would like
is half black, then half white. I understand why 1-bit mode doesn't work
(I think): anything non-white is drawn black. But why doesn't 2-bit mode
do what I expect?

My other question has to do with the palette used for the screen
background. Who manages it? If my application sucks up a lot of tolerant
colors, then the background colors change, being the lowest on the CLUT
priority list, I suppose. But when my applications exits, the background
never seems to get its original CLUT entries back. How come? Another
strange background issue: I have two screens, one color and one gray
scale. If I take a window with a full palette and drag it from the gray
screen to the color, the color background changes colors. Now I drag the
window back to the gray screen. The color background remains the same,
except where the window was - there the colors are different again (not
even the originals). Looks strange. Causing an AutoIdle blank and update
will fix the off-colored hole in the background, but doesn't restore the
original colors... Strange. Any ideas?

                Mike Blackwell          [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Meyer)
Subject: What would you like to see added/fixed in FullWrite?
Date: 18 May 88 22:27:00 GMT

By this time, I assume most of you have seen the initial reviews of
FullWrite Professional on the net.  There is a lot of enthusiasm about
the product from many netters, but most have several gripes about
various aspects of the product.  Since it seems that Ashton-Tate is
planning to support the product, and add features to make it a viable
competitor in the high-end word processor market, I thought I'd make a
list of things I'd like to see in upcoming additions, and mail it into
Ashton-Tate.

Before sending this letter, however, I'd like to solicit any suggestions
and/or gripes you have about FullWrite.  I'm not guaranteeing that I'll
put your comments onto the list, but I'm sure there are people out there
who've come up with valid gripes and/or suggestions which would never
enter my head.  A friend at work and I were discussing placing graphics
in sidebars, and it ended up with the idea for an option that would size
a sidebar around an illustration -- a task which presently is rather
tedious (best method so far: drop the picture into the sidebar, open the
picture icon inside the sidebar, look at the rulers and determine the
dimensions of the illustration, go back to the sidebar and set the size
in accordance with the illustration's dimensions).

I'm planning to mail the list in mid-June.  PLEASE E-mail suggestions to
me at the address below, and thanks in advance!

                        "I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pedantic and that's
just
                         as good."
                                        -- D Gary Grady
--
                                        Moriarty, aka Jeff Meyer
INTERNET:     [e-mail]
Manual UUCP:  {uw-beaver, sun, microsoft}!fluke!moriarty
CREDO:        You gotta be Cruel to be Kind...
<*> DISCLAIMER: Do what you want with me, but leave my employers alone! <*>


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From: [e-mail] (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: 3.5" PKI interrupts?
Date: 18 May 88 13:41:16 GMT
Organization: Ham BBS, Columbus,Oh. 614-457-4227 (300/1200,8N1)

I am posting this request for a friend without access to usenet posting.
 Feel free to send email to me and I will pass along.  Thanks!

My friend has a relatively new Mac+ with 1 meg memory, a Micah hard
drive (20meg) a Smartteam 1200 and an Imagewriter I.  He also has an
external 3.5" drive called a PKI.

Over the last few weeks his Mac was rebooting itself occasionally.  He
treated this as an annoyance rather than a concern until the last few
days.  Now, when he boots up cold, he gets about 40-50 seconds into the
boot and gets an interrupt and the CPU attempts to reboot.  Occasionally
it is successful -  other times that reboot is interrupted.

Using the process of elimination it appears that the PKI external drive
is somehow related to the rogue interrupts.  Only when it is plugged in
does this occur.

He is in need of ideas on how to a) fix the problem, b) resolve the
problem, c) live with the problem peaceably.  He does get to read usenet
mail so feel free to post if you think your answers are of interest -
otherwise private mail will be forwarded to Friend Jon.


Thank you very much for you time.
--
Larry W. Virden  75046,606 (CIS)
674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068 [phone]
osu-cis!n8emr!lwv (UUCP)        osu-cis!n8emr![e-mail] (BITNET
)
We haven't inherited the world from our parents, but borrowed it from our childr
en.

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